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imron -



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I'm sure you would never see a post about why the Chinese "love" Mandarin. Chinese is beautiful,
and historically rich, and has so much cultural value, and blah, blah, blah...but English is just
a "tool for communication."

I think that's an unfair distortion of the meaning of the post.

Yes, especially considering I said Chinese was the tool for communication



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david1978 -

Yonitabonita, I'm sure the irony of this post has not been lost on you. On the one hand, the
original thread poster criticized a "Caucasian" for speaking to him in English, which I take to be
a criticism of his ethnic attachment to language, yet on the other hand, the poster makes a
sweeping and awkward generalization about all Caucasians.

Besides, this post spawned a number of silly responses, not least of which is that language is
"just a tool." That's actually really surprising to hear coming from people who study language.










gougou -



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I take to be a criticism of his ethnic attachment to language

A German ethnically attached to the English language? Well we sure could use more of these, maybe
that'd help us get rid of our accents!










david1978 -



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To get back on topic though, language is shaped and formed by the things you mention, but at the
end of the day, it's still a tool used for communicating those things and more to the people
around you. My purpose in learning Mandarin isn't so I can change my identity to somehow be more
Chinese or because I think the cultures and beliefs are somehow better than my own, rather it is
to communicate with those around me. Sometimes those around me are other westerners who, as
students of Mandarin, also like practising their Chinese. In such a situation I see nothing
pretentious or wrong with doing that.

I don't see anything wrong with that either. I think that perhaps some would perceive language as
just a tool because Chinese - or whatever second language they're learning - has no deeper
connotations to them aside from being a mode of communication. But language is never just a tool
and I'm glad you recognize that.










david1978 -



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A German ethnically attached to the English language? Well we sure could use more of these, maybe
that'd help us get rid of our accents!

The emphasis was on the person being "white" or "Caucasian" and not German. Read the original
post. Besides, why should a German not feel attached to English? English is a Germanic tongue!!










gato -



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"Caucasian" for speaking to him in English, which I take to be a criticism of his ethnic
attachment to language

The Caucasian in the opening post was a German.

Sthubbar, you gotta relax. First, the 1000 yuan challenge about Chinese characters. Now, this
walking away from someone for talking to you in English. I'm afraid of what you are going to do
next.

Remember those nice peaceful days of learning children's poems? Take it easy. It seems that you
have all this pent-up anger or frustration in you. Maybe you've been studying too hard.










imron -



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A German ethnically attached to the English language? Well we sure could use more of these, maybe
that'd help us get rid of our accents!

Yes, I've heard that's a serious problem for you Germans. In some situations possibly even
resulting in the unfortunate loss of life










roddy -



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The emphasis was on the person being "white" or "Caucasian" and not German. Read the original
post. Besides, why should a German not feel attached to English? English is a Germanic tongue!!

You might want to stop digging at some point.










david1978 -



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The Caucasian in the opening post was a German.

Which makes the original post all the more stupid by inferring from his encounter with a single
German, whose native tongue is not even English, a sweeping generalization about the Caucasians
love for English. I'm scratching my head as to why I'm the only one who finds anything wrong with
that? You guys are exposed to too much toxicity. It's effecting your judgments. (I kid)










david1978 -



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You might want to stop digging at some point.

Sure. After you answer the question: Why do Caucasians love English?












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